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‘Get Over It’: Politics Is Part Of Foreign Policy, Mulvaney Says
By: Jessica Taylor | NPR
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Updated at 3:35 p.m. ET
White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney acknowledged Thursday that President Trump expected concessions from Ukraine’s president in exchange for engagement — but said that’s just how business is done in diplomacy.
Mulvaney was asked whether it was a quid pro quo for the White House to condition a meeting between Trump and Ukraine’s president on an agreement by Ukraine to launch an investigation that might help Trump politically.
“Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy,” he said, adding that “elections have consequences.”
Mulvaney said that he wasn’t involved with the other request that Trump made of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy — to investigate the family of former Vice President Joe Biden.
But he did admit that Trump held up aid to Ukraine as part of a quid pro quo — something Trump himself has denied.
The president’s top aide argued that the administration held up the money so that the Ukrainian government would comply with an ongoing investigation into the 2016 elections and that it “had absolutely nothing to do with the Bidens” or the 2020 race.
On his phone call with Zelenskiy, Trump brought up a debunked conspiracy theory that it may have been Ukraine — not Russia — that interfered in the 2016 election and that a Democratic National Committee server was being stored somewhere in Ukraine.
A senior Justice Department official later told NPR’s Ryan Lucas that “if the White House was withholding aid in regards to the cooperation of any investigation at the Department of Justice, that is news to us.”
In broad terms, though, Mulvaney further strengthened the accounts formed so far of the Ukraine affair, also including Trump’s reliance on his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.
Trump, as president, can give assignments to anyone he wants, Mulvaney said, and he faulted Democrats — who are conducting an impeachment inquiry into Trump in connection with the Ukraine scheme — for being disappointed there is no “cover-up.”
A whistleblower complaint alleged that Trump pressured Zelenskiy to investigate Biden and his son Hunter. But as Mulvaney observed, the White House released a memorandum of a call Trump had with Zelenskiy on July 25 and has been open about its conduct.
“No one here had any problem with the call,” Mulvaney said Thursday.
Trump told one diplomat inside the administration, Ambassador Gordon Sondland, that there was no “quid pro quo” with Ukraine, which Sondland later related to counterparts in text messages that have since been released by Democrats.
But Sondland told House investigators on Thursday that he didn’t know in real time about the broader scheme to try to extract the political investigations from Zelenskiy.
In his written opening statement, Sondland also said the account of Trump’s call with Zelenskiy that he received included no mention of the Bidens — suggesting that, if true, the White House circulated a sanitized version of the conversation within the administration and one different from the one it later issued publicly.
At the White House on Thursday, Mulvaney kept up the White House argument that withholding the aid to Ukraine was tied to “cleaning up corruption” in Ukraine.
NPR’s David Welna has reported that, in May, the Pentagon certified that Ukraine had “taken substantial actions” to curtail the country’s corruption.
Mulvaney also announced Thursday that the 2020 Group of Seven conference will be held at the president’s own resort, Trump National Doral in Miami.
As NPR’s Brett Neely reports, “The Trump administration’s decision to host the high-profile international summit at Doral is sure to stoke the ongoing controversy about Trump’s decision to maintain his ownership of his businesses while also serving as president.”
NPR’s Philip Ewing contributed to this report.
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